words. reverend matthew krebin, the senior minister of the newtown congressional church, united church of christ, he will open up. i had an opportunity to meet with him at his church yesterday and you see some of the clergy there, including the rabbi who is there as well. you see him wearing the skull cap with his back to us. he and reverend krebbin, they were both inside the fire hall where all the families gathered, the governor was there, dannel malloy, and at one point the governor started telling family members, parents, who was alive and who wasn't alive, and, you know, and both the minister and the rabbi said to me, it was one -- it was the most powerful moment, the shock, and these are clergy, they're supposed to comfort. they didn't know what to do. >> these parents, they did not know, they were waiting, hoping, seeing children come out and hoping that one of those children would be theirs, but for so many parents that didn't happen, and the governor was the one, you heard this morning, wolf, that ultimately told them, conveyed that information, that horrible information to th